This is off topic but feel it deserves to be discussed. POTY. The list is now out and I for one am a bit surprised (i know its WAHA) at some of the finalists. Brad is a very good player and this is not a rip on him but he only played half a season,i guess its true that he was in the final 8 before the season started. There are no d-men on this list, guess the voters dont feel they have much to do with the outcome of there teams records. Saxton is the lone non-forward on the list and I belive he will and should win it. Great season for all the list (and the ones not on it) but Saxtons play this year and his off ice attitude makes for a great POTY award winner.
In response to "off topic", if Saxton wins, and there is certainly a good chance he will, he owes it as much to the team around him which is REALLY good. As to no other positions that is a shame, because we have some really good d-men and goaltenders in this general area - examples - McMillen, Zink, Behrend on defense and Stensas, Moilanen, Woodman in net that don't get the press,or not on the strongest team or most likely not a strong tradition of quality teams. Anyway the point is ECM has a good, if not great, team with excellent talent and a long tradition. Dahl might just get this award, too. If Navin wins, and he may have the most talent, it would be shame as he's missed almost half the season. It should be Player of the Year, not the Most Likely to Succeed at the D-1 Level award.
Too hard to pick defenseman. No easy index like stats to rely on. The stats you get as d-man can be skewed if you have great forwards. Those picking would have go out and watch them, not just rely on points. All positions are obviously affected by the players around them, but there are too many instances of avg D paired with great forwards racking up huge assist numbers just by touching the puck. Besides, defensemen don't affect the game anyway, they just stand there. Same with goalies for that matter. Game should just be played with 6 forwards.
Player of the YEAR should play all year..duh. Some teams would be better off without a goalie. You are right though many average D with great stats from good forwards.
The same can be said of the forwards..average forward with two good ones makes him look good also.I guess in order for a D man to make it they need stats like stopping a 2 on 1, or winning the battles in the corners. They dont so how will a D-man ever be the list? Hell, a average forward playing against bad teams make for a good year point wise. Do agree that the award is called player of the year,not player of half the year. It will never a perfect system. The best way i see it being done is...8 sections, coaches choose the POTY in there own section and theres your top 8 for the state. Seems easier to vote for a player you have seen play a few times.
Oh absolutly true about average forwards, maybe there should be a defensive player of the year also, but that would go to a tender. PPOTY, new name, Political player of the year....too many good players for one award.
Interesting rule under Senior class tournament states Seniors must play in 70% of the teams games to be eligible for tourny. How many will this affect?
The biggest name that comes to mind is Brad Navin. Too bad becouse im sure he would have made it onto the final team and been a major contribute to the team.
OK then offer up a topic, easy to comment but offer no substance, just like the run away senators, I here their is open hotel rooms at the clock tower if you want to run and hide
Does anybody give Waunakee a chance against Middleton? If anybody knows how to score on Smith, it would be some of his old Caps buddies. Straus could lead the way. Upset possibility here? Marquette has been squeezing by in the playoffs and will finally run into a team that knows how to score. Ya, I know that people think Stoughton sucks, but Hoth, Howell and Gomez know how to score so I think they can pull this one out. The other semi local school, Reedsburg/Dells plays against Onalaska in a sectional no one seems to be too concerned about. Everybody hates Onalaska so root for the Dells.
Have to go with Middelton. Very fast team that breaks the puck out quickly and do not take alot of penalties. Stoughton has been an up and down team all year.Tough one to call,but if either team can get up by two,i dont see the other team coming back. Stoughton wins a hard fought low scoring game.No one cares about the other game becouse it is the weakest section in the state and whomever wins will be bounced in the first game at state.
You mean the 3rd place team in the Badger south might make it to state? Wow are they lucky to be out of the 6th. Middleton will win 5-1, very good tender to beat. A Edge. Middleton game would have been fun to watch. Go Rams....
Why is it Stoughton plays in a different section than 6? Are there other teams in the same situation? Must be nice to take third in your confrence and still be seeded so high in the sectional seedings. Nothing they can do about it im sure, but you have to admit it is a good deal for them. Does anyone give Wauankee a chance?
Easy to complain when your sitting at home with a cleaned out locker room. Remember when the Packers lost to the Lions. Who would have thought they would be contenders, and eventully super bowl champs. Badger south was alot tougher conference top to bottom than the big 8! You need to being playing your best game now , and that is what the Vikings are doing,they like the packers are hot at the right !! And call the wiaa and ask them why we are in thaqt section, out of the kids hands. You play the cards that are dealt to you, and stoughton has had the hot hand of late >
Soccer (yuk) deals withthe same thing. Conferences have little to do with Sectional alignments. I know, it is hard to believe the WIAA may have a plan, but they must. I only wish they had a plan to move the tournament from the crappy ice and malfunctioning scoreboard at the Coliseum. It sucks that the teams work so hard to get there and then have to play in a sub-standard facility.
4:26 Lets do a pro/con of Coliseum vs Cap Ice Coliseum score board doesn't work, Cap Ice urinals don't work: Coliseum ice is soft, Cap Ice only uses half the lights over the ice: Coliseum seats are broken and stairs are steep, Cap Ice has hard bleachers and 6 years of Milk Duds and Gummy Bears under them: Coliseum locker rooms are big and spacious, Cap Ice locker rooms are painted mauve: Coliseum $6 for a Coke, Cap Ice $2 for a warm RC: Coliseum ample handicapped parking but costs $5, Cap Ice two spots but free; Coliseum is close to Coliseum Bar, Cap Ice close to Outer Limits...you be the judge
why not the kohl center? and they are building a new facility for hockey right next to the kohl center that will have a few thousand seats. That would work in a few years too.
The Resch is ideal. It's a great facility, perfect size, why the WIAA continues playing this tourney at the Coliseum is beyond anyone's understanding that uses logic and reason and isn't getting paid on the side to keep it there
The Resch Center would be the best arena for the State Tournament, but not having the State Tournament in Madison would be awkward for the WIAA and just doesn't feel right. The Kohl Center is too busy and their new rink won't be the answer. Besides, the WIAA doesn't care about hockey, so they locked into another long term contract with Dane County to be at the Coliseum so that they have an excuse not to hear about the terrible facilities.
They don;t care about hockey but apparently do about things like girls softball, who play at great facilities???? As for it being awkward not being in Madison, WHY? Half (maybe more) of the high school state tournaments for other sports are played in other cities than Madison, why should this one be any different?
To much crime in Milwaukee, who the hell want's to go to Green Bay, the basketball and wrasslin tourny are at the Kohl and I beleive they are on the weekends. At least in Madsion people can go to the capitol and make fun of the homeless. Your right the WIAA and the rest of the stae doesn't care about hockey, even though its the greatist game.
The big boy and girl sports have their state tournaments in Madison. If you want to prove to the WIAA that the HS Hockey Tournament is 2nd tier, then move it to Green Bay or Milwaukee.
Happened to stumble across this site while looking up the scores for underwater basket weaving. WOW..Had no clue there was H.S.hockey. I would much rather watch 3 hrs of pre-game basketball than all the state hockey games. Glad they only put the championship game on. To WIAA,WAHA and the Media...PUCK OFF.
Really, track and field on par with Hockey? I think you're on the wrong blog? Maybe You were looking for the Dancing Nancies Blog one spot over? C'mon Man?!
As far as stumbling across the blog while looking for underwater basket weaving (which by the way was an outstanding course in college for me, I got a B) now that you've found us, please go back to your porn site that you were really looking for. Creeper!
Broken Stud, I am curious as to why the new UW facilty would not work. Aren't they planning on hosting the UW Women's there? (rumour also is Edgewood is negotiating making that their home rink!) Seating would not be like the Coliseum or the Resch center but those wouldn't fill anyway. Somebody said 1000 seats, is that all? Whatever the attendance is in Madison I would have to believe it would be less if the tounament was in GB. Kohl Center would probably not work unless WIAA moved the tournament date. I can't see HS Hockey bumping the Men's team to Eagles Nest like what happens to the women when there is a conflict. Does anyone know the capacity of the Kern Center in Milwaukee where MSOE plays?
I think La Bahn Arena by the Kohl Center is supposed to seat approximately 2400 spectators, which is basically perfect for the state HS hockey tourney. I have also heard that it is a distinct possibility that Edgewood will be playing home games there once it is completed.
2,400 in the LaBahn would not be perfect for the state tourney. That is too small. The Hgih School state tourney on average gets 4,000 and sometimes 5,000 to 6,000 folks depending on what teams make the state tourney. Ie when Stoughton or Janesvile make it they bring a ton of people as an example but even when the turn outs are average they are still over 2,400. You can't go to a venue that would cause you to reduce your patronage, you are trying to grow the sport and attendance not the other way around. The Kohl also doesn't work because simply it's too big of a venue. Even the 9,000 seat Alliant is too big in addition to being to old and grungy. I honestly doubt attendance in Green Bay would be any less than it is in Madison, I bet it owuld be about the same and possibly even bigger attendance. As I recall the Resch holds about 6,000 when it's set up for hockey give or take. That is the perfect size and would create a much better atmosphere for the 4,000+ average attendees while also being a significantly better venue in all other regards.
For basketball state tournaments, the Kohl Center doesn't seem to feel too big. That was true even for the girls BB tournament last year. Seems like they turn off the lights in the upper two decks and limit seating to the lower level. Then it was right cozy.
I think attendance would be down in GB. The Madison-area has so many high school and youth teams that skip school for the tournament. In addition, I know GB has the Gamblers, but just having the Badgers in Madison results in more local fans...some of which go to the tournament. I just don't think GB could match all that. That being said, if I had to pick slightly higher attendance or a quality facility where teams that rely on speed are not penalized, I would pick the better venue hands down. FYI, the last few years the ice hasn't even gone in until the Mon, Tues or even Wednesday before the tournament. It used to be in a good couple weeks and the local youth teams would use it and get it conditioned. That hasn't happened in recent years...hurts the AEC's bottom line to run those chillers that long.
I still say attendance would not be down. The Fox Valley/Greater Green Bay area is every bit as large as Madison population wise (maybe larger) with just as many youth and high school teams. Why wouldn't the kids up there do the same as they do down here. I think it would be a wash. And the fans of Gamblers Hockey would actually be of a type that owuld be alot mroe inclined to see high school hockey than the average Badger season ticket holder. It's a much different demographic of fan that watches Junior hockey compared to the average Badger fan. The "old folks" and students who make up the large majority of Badegr game attendees don;t go to high school hockey game, but folks who go watch junior hockey do. And folks who come from "out of town" would also be a wash, it's no easier or worse getting to GB from Milwaukee than it is to Madison. In fact it might actually attract mor "up north" folks who are likely more into hockey than we are dow here. I disagree, attendance would be higher in GB than Madison
Looking at the list of Associations on WAHA's website it looks like there are approximately 10 youth Associations within a 70 mile radius of Green Bay. In comparison, Madison has approximately 25. This includes AAA (Caps and Gamblers) but not summer select teams. I might a have missed one or two but these numbers are not even close. Hard to believe attendance would not suffer.
Umm, either you do not know what the word radius means, or you don't know how far 70 miles is or you aren't sure where some of the cities on the WAHA site are located within the state. Because I used your 70 mile radius (give or take a mile) and found 18 youth associations within that distance of Green Bay. I did not verify the 25 that you found within distance of Madison but I'll assume that is true. But the disparity is not what you purported it to be. Again you need to understand the demographics better too. I believe attendance would be up not down. By your logic the Packers shouldn't sell out games because they are in a city of only 100,000+ people and not a metropolis....... Or a btter analogy there is a reason Junior hockey teams seek out mid size blue collar towns to put their teams in and don;t go to places like Madison or Milwaukee (see the Gamblers, Jets and Chill as three prime exampels in this state)
I am familiar with that area and I do know what radius is. I am fairly confident of my numbers give or take one or two. You must be looking at a different list. As for your junior examples, I think your NA examples have more to do with lack of competetion for the few spectators that exist. it is nice to be the only game in town. Now USHL, that is differnt but then again they are in some larger population areas. You may be right, maybe there wouldn't be a difference or maybe GB would even be more (still think that's doubtful) but the bottomline is I am agreeing with you (I think) that the tournament would be better off in GB at the Resch rather than in Madison at AEC...no matter the attendance. The AEC adversely impacts the game... unless you happen to like the fan interaction of counting down the end of a penalty b/c the clock isn't working.
Well...... that should shut up all the Section 6 haters. Section 6 was the deepest sectional in the playoffs and Middleton is showing why. Nice job Middleton. Good luck in the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
That may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter. All we heard was how Section 6 was deep with good teams but no teams who would get out of the first round and here they ended up ion the championship games....
Just saw the "All State" listings. There are 12 first team forwards listed and 34 Honarable mention forwards. Koritzinsky honorable mention and Skibba not listed at all. How is that possible? Does anyone know the criteria used for this?
Saw that as well. Skibba might be the best forward in the state period, how is he atleast not honorable mention. Somebody effed up, that has to be a mistake.
That surprised me as well. He was hurt for awhile, maybe that keeps him off of 1st Team, but not even honorable mention? That definately seems like a mistake.
I have seen those "other considerations" listed as factors for POTY. But nothing like that for All-state. Who knows what voters are thinking, many are probably homer votes or just look at stats. Although, you would have thought the players mentioned above would have been able to get in those criteria as well. It doesn't necessarily surprise me they were named, except when you consider the high of skaters receiving the honor, then it seems suspect.
The Dells reward for winning their sectional was a trip to the state tournament, that's it. That doesn't mean they were a top 10 team. That should be earned by different criteria.
the end of the line for waunakee, you better bring your big boy breezers to the next game.
ReplyDeleteThis is off topic but feel it deserves to be discussed. POTY. The list is now out and I for one am a bit surprised (i know its WAHA) at some of the finalists. Brad is a very good player and this is not a rip on him but he only played half a season,i guess its true that he was in the final 8 before the season started. There are no d-men on this list, guess the voters dont feel they have much to do with the outcome of there teams records. Saxton is the lone non-forward on the list and I belive he will and should win it. Great season for all the list (and the ones not on it) but Saxtons play this year and his off ice attitude makes for a great POTY award winner.
ReplyDeleteIn response to "off topic", if Saxton wins, and there is certainly a good chance he will, he owes it as much to the team around him which is REALLY good.
ReplyDeleteAs to no other positions that is a shame, because we have some really good d-men and goaltenders in this general area - examples - McMillen, Zink, Behrend on defense and Stensas, Moilanen, Woodman in net that don't get the press,or not on the strongest team or most likely not a strong tradition of quality teams.
Anyway the point is ECM has a good, if not great, team with excellent talent and a long tradition. Dahl might just get this award, too. If Navin wins, and he may have the most talent, it would be shame as he's missed almost half the season. It should be Player of the Year, not the Most Likely to Succeed at the D-1 Level award.
Too hard to pick defenseman. No easy index like stats to rely on. The stats you get as d-man can be skewed if you have great forwards. Those picking would have go out and watch them, not just rely on points. All positions are obviously affected by the players around them, but there are too many instances of avg D paired with great forwards racking up huge assist numbers just by touching the puck. Besides, defensemen don't affect the game anyway, they just stand there. Same with goalies for that matter. Game should just be played with 6 forwards.
ReplyDeletePlayer of the Year should be determined by the players height!
ReplyDeletePlayer of the YEAR should play all year..duh. Some teams would be better off without a goalie.
ReplyDeleteYou are right though many average D with great stats from good forwards.
The same can be said of the forwards..average forward with two good ones makes him look good also.I guess in order for a D man to make it they need stats like stopping a 2 on 1, or winning the battles in the corners. They dont so how will a D-man ever be the list? Hell, a average forward playing against bad teams make for a good year point wise. Do agree that the award is called player of the year,not player of half the year. It will never a perfect system. The best way i see it being done is...8 sections, coaches choose the POTY in there own section and theres your top 8 for the state. Seems easier to vote for a player you have seen play a few times.
ReplyDeleteOh absolutly true about average forwards, maybe there should be a defensive player of the year also, but that would go to a tender. PPOTY, new name, Political player of the year....too many good players for one award.
ReplyDeleteI vote for Brent Farve for POTY!
ReplyDeletethat is unfair Manute!
ReplyDeleteCongrats goes out to Begs And Trevor for being nominated, Best of luck to the both of you.
ReplyDeletepretenders or condenders, who is going to state? I'll say stoughton over Marquette 4-2 and Middleton over Waunakee 2-1 should be some great games.
ReplyDeletetwo stoughton products in player of the year finalists. One just happened to go to edgewood instead of stoughton..
ReplyDeleteAnd stoughton is looking for some revenge against marquette on saturday
Go Rams, Stoughton Sucks........ Middleton 6-1 over the pretenders. The glass slipper breaks on Friday night. And both ex AAA players...hmmm
ReplyDeleteInteresting rule under Senior class tournament states Seniors must play in 70% of the teams games to be eligible for tourny. How many will this affect?
ReplyDeleteThe biggest name that comes to mind is Brad Navin. Too bad becouse im sure he would have made it onto the final team and been a major contribute to the team.
ReplyDeletethis blog is brutal this year
ReplyDeleteOK then offer up a topic, easy to comment but offer no substance, just like the run away senators, I here their is open hotel rooms at the clock tower if you want to run and hide
ReplyDeleteHey, lets talk HS hockey here!
ReplyDeleteDoes anybody give Waunakee a chance against Middleton? If anybody knows how to score on Smith, it would be some of his old Caps buddies. Straus could lead the way. Upset possibility here?
Marquette has been squeezing by in the playoffs and will finally run into a team that knows how to score. Ya, I know that people think Stoughton sucks, but Hoth, Howell and Gomez know how to score so I think they can pull this one out.
The other semi local school, Reedsburg/Dells plays against Onalaska in a sectional no one seems to be too concerned about. Everybody hates Onalaska so root for the Dells.
Have to go with Middelton. Very fast team that breaks the puck out quickly and do not take alot of penalties. Stoughton has been an up and down team all year.Tough one to call,but if either team can get up by two,i dont see the other team coming back. Stoughton wins a hard fought low scoring game.No one cares about the other game becouse it is the weakest section in the state and whomever wins will be bounced in the first game at state.
ReplyDeleteYou mean the 3rd place team in the Badger south might make it to state? Wow are they lucky to be out of the 6th. Middleton will win 5-1, very good tender to beat. A Edge. Middleton game would have been fun to watch. Go Rams....
ReplyDeleteWhy is it Stoughton plays in a different section than 6? Are there other teams in the same situation? Must be nice to take third in your confrence and still be seeded so high in the sectional seedings. Nothing they can do about it im sure, but you have to admit it is a good deal for them. Does anyone give Wauankee a chance?
ReplyDeleteEasy to complain when your sitting at home with a cleaned out locker room. Remember when the Packers lost to the Lions. Who would have thought they would be contenders, and eventully super bowl champs. Badger south was alot tougher conference top to bottom than the big 8! You need to being playing your best game now , and that is what the Vikings are doing,they like the packers are hot at the right !! And call the wiaa and ask them why we are in thaqt section, out of the kids hands. You play the cards that are dealt to you, and stoughton has had the hot hand of late >
ReplyDeleteJanesville and Beloit play in the same section
ReplyDeleteSoccer (yuk) deals withthe same thing. Conferences have little to do with Sectional alignments. I know, it is hard to believe the WIAA may have a plan, but they must. I only wish they had a plan to move the tournament from the crappy ice and malfunctioning scoreboard at the Coliseum. It sucks that the teams work so hard to get there and then have to play in a sub-standard facility.
ReplyDeleteI know they should be playing here at Cap ice...Go section 6!!!!!
ReplyDeletethe ice arena is nice crap ice
ReplyDelete4:26 Lets do a pro/con of Coliseum vs Cap Ice
ReplyDeleteColiseum score board doesn't work, Cap Ice urinals don't work: Coliseum ice is soft, Cap Ice only uses half the lights over the ice: Coliseum seats are broken and stairs are steep, Cap Ice has hard bleachers and 6 years of Milk Duds and Gummy Bears under them: Coliseum locker rooms are big and spacious, Cap Ice locker rooms are painted mauve: Coliseum $6 for a Coke, Cap Ice $2 for a warm RC: Coliseum ample handicapped parking but costs $5, Cap Ice two spots but free; Coliseum is close to Coliseum Bar, Cap Ice close to Outer Limits...you be the judge
why not the kohl center? and they are building a new facility for hockey right next to the kohl center that will have a few thousand seats. That would work in a few years too.
ReplyDeleteas much as i would hate to see it leave madison, the resch center would be ideal
ReplyDeleteunfortunately the Kohl center can't guarantee the week end. The Resch is a great facilitiy and it is walking distance to the Stadium View
ReplyDeleteThe Resch is ideal. It's a great facility, perfect size, why the WIAA continues playing this tourney at the Coliseum is beyond anyone's understanding that uses logic and reason and isn't getting paid on the side to keep it there
ReplyDeleteThe Resch Center would be the best arena for the State Tournament, but not having the State Tournament in Madison would be awkward for the WIAA and just doesn't feel right. The Kohl Center is too busy and their new rink won't be the answer. Besides, the WIAA doesn't care about hockey, so they locked into another long term contract with Dane County to be at the Coliseum so that they have an excuse not to hear about the terrible facilities.
ReplyDeleteThey don;t care about hockey but apparently do about things like girls softball, who play at great facilities???? As for it being awkward not being in Madison, WHY? Half (maybe more) of the high school state tournaments for other sports are played in other cities than Madison, why should this one be any different?
ReplyDeleteWhat about the Bradley Center? It was designed for hockey anyway
ReplyDeleteTo much crime in Milwaukee, who the hell want's to go to Green Bay, the basketball and wrasslin tourny are at the Kohl and I beleive they are on the weekends. At least in Madsion people can go to the capitol and make fun of the homeless. Your right the WIAA and the rest of the stae doesn't care about hockey, even though its the greatist game.
ReplyDeleteThe big boy and girl sports have their state tournaments in Madison. If you want to prove to the WIAA that the HS Hockey Tournament is 2nd tier, then move it to Green Bay or Milwaukee.
ReplyDeleteSo baseball and Track and field are second tier, I dont think so. They just have them at the best venues.
ReplyDeleteYes they are
ReplyDeletehockey is a tier 2 in the eyes of wiaa not baseball, look at the shit hole they stick us in for a so called state tourny
ReplyDeleteHappened to stumble across this site while looking up the scores for underwater basket weaving. WOW..Had no clue there was H.S.hockey. I would much rather watch 3 hrs of pre-game basketball than all the state hockey games. Glad they only put the championship game on. To WIAA,WAHA and the Media...PUCK OFF.
ReplyDeleteReally, track and field on par with Hockey? I think you're on the wrong blog? Maybe You were looking for the Dancing Nancies Blog one spot over? C'mon Man?!
ReplyDeleteAs far as stumbling across the blog while looking for underwater basket weaving (which by the way was an outstanding course in college for me, I got a B) now that you've found us, please go back to your porn site that you were really looking for. Creeper!
Broken Stud, I am curious as to why the new UW facilty would not work. Aren't they planning on hosting the UW Women's there? (rumour also is Edgewood is negotiating making that their home rink!) Seating would not be like the Coliseum or the Resch center but those wouldn't fill anyway. Somebody said 1000 seats, is that all? Whatever the attendance is in Madison I would have to believe it would be less if the tounament was in GB. Kohl Center would probably not work unless WIAA moved the tournament date. I can't see HS Hockey bumping the Men's team to Eagles Nest like what happens to the women when there is a conflict. Does anyone know the capacity of the Kern Center in Milwaukee where MSOE plays?
ReplyDeleteI think La Bahn Arena by the Kohl Center is supposed to seat approximately 2400 spectators, which is basically perfect for the state HS hockey tourney. I have also heard that it is a distinct possibility that Edgewood will be playing home games there once it is completed.
ReplyDelete2,400 in the LaBahn would not be perfect for the state tourney. That is too small. The Hgih School state tourney on average gets 4,000 and sometimes 5,000 to 6,000 folks depending on what teams make the state tourney. Ie when Stoughton or Janesvile make it they bring a ton of people as an example but even when the turn outs are average they are still over 2,400. You can't go to a venue that would cause you to reduce your patronage, you are trying to grow the sport and attendance not the other way around. The Kohl also doesn't work because simply it's too big of a venue. Even the 9,000 seat Alliant is too big in addition to being to old and grungy. I honestly doubt attendance in Green Bay would be any less than it is in Madison, I bet it owuld be about the same and possibly even bigger attendance. As I recall the Resch holds about 6,000 when it's set up for hockey give or take. That is the perfect size and would create a much better atmosphere for the 4,000+ average attendees while also being a significantly better venue in all other regards.
ReplyDeleteFor basketball state tournaments, the Kohl Center doesn't seem to feel too big. That was true even for the girls BB tournament last year. Seems like they turn off the lights in the upper two decks and limit seating to the lower level. Then it was right cozy.
ReplyDeleteI think attendance would be down in GB. The Madison-area has so many high school and youth teams that skip school for the tournament. In addition, I know GB has the Gamblers, but just having the Badgers in Madison results in more local fans...some of which go to the tournament. I just don't think GB could match all that. That being said, if I had to pick slightly higher attendance or a quality facility where teams that rely on speed are not penalized, I would pick the better venue hands down. FYI, the last few years the ice hasn't even gone in until the Mon, Tues or even Wednesday before the tournament. It used to be in a good couple weeks and the local youth teams would use it and get it conditioned. That hasn't happened in recent years...hurts the AEC's bottom line to run those chillers that long.
I still say attendance would not be down. The Fox Valley/Greater Green Bay area is every bit as large as Madison population wise (maybe larger) with just as many youth and high school teams. Why wouldn't the kids up there do the same as they do down here. I think it would be a wash. And the fans of Gamblers Hockey would actually be of a type that owuld be alot mroe inclined to see high school hockey than the average Badger season ticket holder. It's a much different demographic of fan that watches Junior hockey compared to the average Badger fan. The "old folks" and students who make up the large majority of Badegr game attendees don;t go to high school hockey game, but folks who go watch junior hockey do. And folks who come from "out of town" would also be a wash, it's no easier or worse getting to GB from Milwaukee than it is to Madison. In fact it might actually attract mor "up north" folks who are likely more into hockey than we are dow here. I disagree, attendance would be higher in GB than Madison
ReplyDeleteLooking at the list of Associations on WAHA's website it looks like there are approximately 10 youth Associations within a 70 mile radius of Green Bay. In comparison, Madison has approximately 25. This includes AAA (Caps and Gamblers) but not summer select teams. I might a have missed one or two but these numbers are not even close. Hard to believe attendance would not suffer.
ReplyDeleteUmm, either you do not know what the word radius means, or you don't know how far 70 miles is or you aren't sure where some of the cities on the WAHA site are located within the state. Because I used your 70 mile radius (give or take a mile) and found 18 youth associations within that distance of Green Bay. I did not verify the 25 that you found within distance of Madison but I'll assume that is true. But the disparity is not what you purported it to be. Again you need to understand the demographics better too. I believe attendance would be up not down. By your logic the Packers shouldn't sell out games because they are in a city of only 100,000+ people and not a metropolis....... Or a btter analogy there is a reason Junior hockey teams seek out mid size blue collar towns to put their teams in and don;t go to places like Madison or Milwaukee (see the Gamblers, Jets and Chill as three prime exampels in this state)
ReplyDeleteI am familiar with that area and I do know what radius is. I am fairly confident of my numbers give or take one or two. You must be looking at a different list. As for your junior examples, I think your NA examples have more to do with lack of competetion for the few spectators that exist. it is nice to be the only game in town. Now USHL, that is differnt but then again they are in some larger population areas. You may be right, maybe there wouldn't be a difference or maybe GB would even be more (still think that's doubtful) but the bottomline is I am agreeing with you (I think) that the tournament would be better off in GB at the Resch rather than in Madison at AEC...no matter the attendance. The AEC adversely impacts the game... unless you happen to like the fan interaction of counting down the end of a penalty b/c the clock isn't working.
ReplyDeleteYes, we can agree that the Resch would be better no matter what and the AEC basically sucks no matter how you spin it :)
ReplyDeleteWell...... that should shut up all the Section 6 haters. Section 6 was the deepest sectional in the playoffs and Middleton is showing why. Nice job Middleton. Good luck in the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
ReplyDeleteCongrats to Middleton, but the real championship was in the semis with WW against ECN which is often the case in this tournament.
ReplyDeleteThat may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter. All we heard was how Section 6 was deep with good teams but no teams who would get out of the first round and here they ended up ion the championship games....
ReplyDeleteJust saw the "All State" listings. There are 12 first team forwards listed and 34 Honarable mention forwards. Koritzinsky honorable mention and Skibba not listed at all. How is that possible? Does anyone know the criteria used for this?
ReplyDeleteThe voters didn't like section 6, thought it was a patsy section, so NO VOTES FOR THEM!!!
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ReplyDeleteSaw that as well. Skibba might be the best forward in the state period, how is he atleast not honorable mention. Somebody effed up, that has to be a mistake.
That surprised me as well. He was hurt for awhile, maybe that keeps him off of 1st Team, but not even honorable mention? That definately seems like a mistake.
ReplyDeleteDo suspensions or history of WIAA violations play into the selections at all?
ReplyDeleteWow, The Dells makes it to state, and doesn't even make the final top 10 list. Even the voters know the injustice of Section 4.
ReplyDeleteI have seen those "other considerations" listed as factors for POTY. But nothing like that for All-state. Who knows what voters are thinking, many are probably homer votes or just look at stats. Although, you would have thought the players mentioned above would have been able to get in those criteria as well. It doesn't necessarily surprise me they were named, except when you consider the high of skaters receiving the honor, then it seems suspect.
ReplyDeleteThe Dells reward for winning their sectional was a trip to the state tournament, that's it. That doesn't mean they were a top 10 team. That should be earned by different criteria.
Above, I meant to say "... were not named...".
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